Comments on: California’s Class Warfare: PLAs Pit Union and Non-Union Workers Against Each Other http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/ Offshore International Financial Centre Tax and Investment News and Analysis Sat, 04 Sep 2010 11:05:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: LibertyAtStake http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6963 LibertyAtStake Tue, 02 Feb 2010 03:28:55 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6963 <p>Is there a principled conservative seismologist out there? Can you tell the rest of us at the next secret meeting the date CA is due to fall into the Pacific? You know, so our CA secret society members can get out in time.<br /> <a href="http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://libertyatstake.blogspot.com/</a></p> Is there a principled conservative seismologist out there? Can you tell the rest of us at the next secret meeting the date CA is due to fall into the Pacific? You know, so our CA secret society members can get out in time.
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]]> By: mikatollah http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6962 mikatollah Tue, 02 Feb 2010 02:43:20 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6962 <p>We need to work to have fair markets. Americans compete very well on a level playing field because of our productivity which continues to grow even when wages become stagnant. We need to insist that we have reciprocal access to foreign markets and that foreign governments are not subsidizing products they export. And U.S. companies who move manufacturing facilities overseas should not be able to export them to this country without a penalty.</p> We need to work to have fair markets. Americans compete very well on a level playing field because of our productivity which continues to grow even when wages become stagnant. We need to insist that we have reciprocal access to foreign markets and that foreign governments are not subsidizing products they export. And U.S. companies who move manufacturing facilities overseas should not be able to export them to this country without a penalty.

]]> By: David Denholm http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6961 David Denholm Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:57:47 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6961 <p>JMA, unions went wrong in several different ways at different times. The New Deal National Labor Relations Act put the heavy thumb of government on the unions' side of the scale and destroyed the need for them to consider agreements that were equitable to both sides. In 1955 when the American Federation of Labor merged with the Congress of Industrial Organizations, the more traditional trade unions seemed satisfied to let the more liberal industrial unions have the politics. That led the union political machine down the path to collectivism and it has never recovered. There is, of course, a great deal more to it than this, but these are starting points for the move in the wrong direction.</p> JMA, unions went wrong in several different ways at different times. The New Deal National Labor Relations Act put the heavy thumb of government on the unions' side of the scale and destroyed the need for them to consider agreements that were equitable to both sides. In 1955 when the American Federation of Labor merged with the Congress of Industrial Organizations, the more traditional trade unions seemed satisfied to let the more liberal industrial unions have the politics. That led the union political machine down the path to collectivism and it has never recovered. There is, of course, a great deal more to it than this, but these are starting points for the move in the wrong direction.

]]> By: Cowboy Logic http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6960 Cowboy Logic Tue, 02 Feb 2010 01:03:19 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6960 <p>Gary,<br /> I'm a rather simple person. Some have even called me a simpleton. My mind is organized, and laid out in right angles. I see things clearly. I think in terms of black and white (pardon the pun),right and wrong, good and bad. Yes should always mean yes, and no should always mean no. There are no grey areas, and one should always call a spade a spade. Do what you say, and don't back up.</p> Gary,
I'm a rather simple person. Some have even called me a simpleton. My mind is organized, and laid out in right angles. I see things clearly. I think in terms of black and white (pardon the pun),right and wrong, good and bad. Yes should always mean yes, and no should always mean no. There are no grey areas, and one should always call a spade a spade. Do what you say, and don't back up.

]]> By: Gary__K http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6959 Gary__K Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:53:39 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6959 <p>Right on the mark. </p> <p>I am trying to teach my grandkids the same thing….what a job..</p> Right on the mark.

I am trying to teach my grandkids the same thing….what a job..

]]> By: DWH http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6958 DWH Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:29:20 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6958 <p>So the new deal deal with organised labor stopped the rioting in the 1930's.What has that got to do with labor in 2010?</p> So the new deal deal with organised labor stopped the rioting in the 1930's.What has that got to do with labor in 2010?

]]> By: DWH http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6957 DWH Tue, 02 Feb 2010 00:25:34 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6957 <p>It's funny how things just don't change….these thugs are going to have their day in the hospital or the morgue before to long…Do they think they will still be able to bully people around when unemployment is 30-35%??Or when the federal bailouts/job creation scams have ran out?</p> It's funny how things just don't change….these thugs are going to have their day in the hospital or the morgue before to long…Do they think they will still be able to bully people around when unemployment is 30-35%??Or when the federal bailouts/job creation scams have ran out?

]]> By: DWH http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6956 DWH Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:34:12 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6956 <p>I'll take it a step further.Close all 1000 military bases around the world,and all the state departments foreign embassies and bring everyone home.Stop all foreign aid and nationalise all foreign business in the US.This includes business' that operate here but keep their offices in another country for tax reasons.Close our borders and make the USA selfsufficient.Let's give the rest of the world a real reason to hate us.Then in ten to twenty years consider helping others.Unfortunately, it will take a dictator to do something like this…I predict the US will break up way before anything logical is done on a national level anyway.</p> I'll take it a step further.Close all 1000 military bases around the world,and all the state departments foreign embassies and bring everyone home.Stop all foreign aid and nationalise all foreign business in the US.This includes business' that operate here but keep their offices in another country for tax reasons.Close our borders and make the USA selfsufficient.Let's give the rest of the world a real reason to hate us.Then in ten to twenty years consider helping others.Unfortunately, it will take a dictator to do something like this…I predict the US will break up way before anything logical is done on a national level anyway.

]]> By: crtune http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6955 crtune Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:21:28 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6955 <p>Unfortunately, the example of City of LA can guide us as to what will happen: those in power will realize that BK (bankruptcy) removes most of THEIR power, too! So, they concoct increasingly elaborate workarounds, and clever shell-games to trick their way into furthering their term in power. </p> <p>This usually continues until something done is so utterly illegal and obvious, or the enemies they make are so hideous, that the politicos are voted out of office, removed from office, or some even think (e.g. Chicago mayor Cermak, often called "the father of machine politics", in Feb. 1933) politicians have been assassinated. </p> <p>Also, you are wise to point out which Circuit Court might be involved in such a hearing. Thus, we see that electing the right representatives and leaders may yet be the way out of this nightmare.</p> Unfortunately, the example of City of LA can guide us as to what will happen: those in power will realize that BK (bankruptcy) removes most of THEIR power, too! So, they concoct increasingly elaborate workarounds, and clever shell-games to trick their way into furthering their term in power.

This usually continues until something done is so utterly illegal and obvious, or the enemies they make are so hideous, that the politicos are voted out of office, removed from office, or some even think (e.g. Chicago mayor Cermak, often called "the father of machine politics", in Feb. 1933) politicians have been assassinated.

Also, you are wise to point out which Circuit Court might be involved in such a hearing. Thus, we see that electing the right representatives and leaders may yet be the way out of this nightmare.

]]> By: victor barney http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6954 victor barney Mon, 01 Feb 2010 23:11:04 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6954 <p>Who do you think first began the "union" in the first place, but the mob? It's been running in America longer than most Americans think, too.</p> Who do you think first began the "union" in the first place, but the mob? It's been running in America longer than most Americans think, too.

]]> By: Snakeman518 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6953 Snakeman518 Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:23:43 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6953 <p>Actually, Victor, it was the American Socialists that pushed and started Trade Unions. The Mob didn't get involved in them until the 1950's. This was due to the large amount of money available (pensions, strike funds, etc) and the fact that they dominated industries they were interested in. This was predominately trucking, construction and the "ports" (blackmarket transport and clearance of tax-free goods). </p> <p>"Organized Crime" has never "run" this country (on a local level, maybe), they are too diorganized for that.</p> Actually, Victor, it was the American Socialists that pushed and started Trade Unions. The Mob didn't get involved in them until the 1950's. This was due to the large amount of money available (pensions, strike funds, etc) and the fact that they dominated industries they were interested in. This was predominately trucking, construction and the "ports" (blackmarket transport and clearance of tax-free goods).

"Organized Crime" has never "run" this country (on a local level, maybe), they are too diorganized for that.

]]> By: Snakeman518 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6952 Snakeman518 Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:10:55 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6952 <p>I remember the old days when they wouldn't let in the "mollies" "spics" and "micks". That is the main way you can tell the "mob" doesn't run the unions anymore. </p> <p>(by the way….. that is their terms, not mine. I am, afterall, one of those "micks")</p> I remember the old days when they wouldn't let in the "mollies" "spics" and "micks". That is the main way you can tell the "mob" doesn't run the unions anymore.

(by the way….. that is their terms, not mine. I am, afterall, one of those "micks")

]]> By: Snakeman518 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6951 Snakeman518 Mon, 01 Feb 2010 22:08:29 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6951 <p>Sorry, RT, Stern has nothing on Capone. Capone was a tried and true Capitalist.</p> Sorry, RT, Stern has nothing on Capone. Capone was a tried and true Capitalist.

]]> By: Snakeman518 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/comment-page-1/#comment-6950 Snakeman518 Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:53:08 +0000 http://www.ifcnews.com/california%e2%80%99s-class-warfare-plas-pit-union-and-non-union-workers-against-each-other/#comment-6950 <p>Mikatollah,<br /> Right and wrong. When advancement and increase of salary are dependent on productivity, it is up. If you compare union shops to non-union (Big Three Auto vs. Toyota/Honda, etc) union shops fall short every time. Labor costs, per unit, are higher, mostly due to lost productivity. The non-union auto shops are not unsafe, far from it, they are usually actually safer, yet lines are faster and more units come off than in the "Big Three". This is the main reason why we are not competative. </p> <p>While there are some markets that are "protective" most are not. We still are unable to compete. The answer is not protection, it is becoming more "efficient".</p> Mikatollah,
Right and wrong. When advancement and increase of salary are dependent on productivity, it is up. If you compare union shops to non-union (Big Three Auto vs. Toyota/Honda, etc) union shops fall short every time. Labor costs, per unit, are higher, mostly due to lost productivity. The non-union auto shops are not unsafe, far from it, they are usually actually safer, yet lines are faster and more units come off than in the "Big Three". This is the main reason why we are not competative.

While there are some markets that are "protective" most are not. We still are unable to compete. The answer is not protection, it is becoming more "efficient".

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